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drinnanc
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 Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:23 pm Post subject: eBay ecommerce web site |
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We would certainly consider this. However, I think eBay must understand that it will have to compete with others and provide a superior service at at least a competitive price. Cost, access, how it appears on search engines, ability to work with other sites, etc.
As for PayPall - competition from Google and Yahoo are arround the corner - wouldn't you be thinking about doing this. Further it seems that some credit card offerring will also end up being competitive.
I believe eBay is a superior product and absolutely amazing considering the loads and the miriad of inexperienced users. However, many people want to deal with the most cost effective offerring.
I agree the eBay support software in terms of turbo lister is not vey good.
Chuck
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RedBirdRidge
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:17 am Post subject: eBay offering more and more and more |
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I'm encouraged to see that someone other than myself is also fed up with eBay. We have a different perspective, however. We were small sellers a few years ago, when it was more like an online garage sale. But those days are long gone.
Besides all the unfavorable policies toward sellers, I also strongly dislike their policy (lack of one) on snipers. We are primarily buyers, and in an actual auction, there have been several times where I would have bid ten times my last bid in order to win the auction, but a sniper deprived me of that opportunity.
I had hoped that Overstock.com was going to take off well, but they don't seem to have very many sellers. What is the story there?
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xppman
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| Quote: | | I had hoped that Overstock.com was going to take off well, but they don't seem to have very many sellers. What is the story there? |
From what I've been reading in other forums many have already
learned that Overstock.com is baby ebay.
Same anti competitive polices and same one sided business model.
They are there to only make them money so no real B2B partnership has evolved so I've read.
I guess the powers at the "O" were not as savvy in their "con game" as ebay used to be. 
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BURIED TREASURES
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| Quote: | | Besides all the unfavorable policies toward sellers, I also strongly dislike their policy (lack of one) on snipers. We are primarily buyers, and in an actual auction, there have been several times where I would have bid ten times my last bid in order to win the auction, but a sniper deprived me of that opportunity. |
Hi Redbirdridge and welcome to auctionbytes! Sorry but I will have to disagree with your assessment. If everything you wrote in your quote is true the only person who deprived you of your item was you. Remember, ebay has a system where you can bid your 10 times the price but you will only pay a small amount more than the other final bidder and you will win the item as long as you were willing to pay more than the other bidders were (regardless of whether or not they were snipers). I have won and lost auctions by as little as a penny over the years so it is simply a money issue. The higher you bid, the better chance you will end up winning the item you want.
The next time you see something you really want, bid the absolute most you are willing to pay. This will significantly increase your chances of winning the item you are interested in. It serves no purpose to bid low on something that you were willing to pay a lot more for. It is only natural to get outbid in this kind of an environment. By bidding the most you are prepared to pay you will have been given the opportunity to win it at the highest price you were prepared to pay and if you get outbid that just means someone else was willing to pay more for it than you were. Should that happen just look for the same or similar items the very next day and you may be surprised at what becomes available that you CAN win.
Ebay is a below wholesale venue a lot of the time. As long as you have the desire to own something and are willing to pay a fair price for it, you should see your success rate of winning auctions increase dramatically.
Snipers by their very nature are usually cheapskates or if not they only bid at the last because they want the item badly. A sniper will usually bid only once and when they do they bid the absolute highest amount they are willing to pay. If your earlier bid was higher than or THE SAME AS the snipers, it is YOU who will win the auction. Add to that if the sniper has problems ie. slow connection, electricity goes out, ebay slow etc. you will have won the item because they could not get a bid in during the last seconds as the auction was closing. In truth it is the sniper who is at the disadvantage, not the other way around.
What I found was that when I applied the bid early and high method (early in my ebay career) I was winning 1 out of every 10 auctions I bid on. What's worse was that the one I would win, I would usually only win at near the maximum I was willing to pay. When I started sniping I found that I was winning 9 out of 10 auctions and usually paying far less than what I was prepared to pay. I would always bid the MAXIMUM I was willing to pay in the last 20 seconds of an auction. This forced me to make an assessment of value and removed the emotion of having bid on a listing multiple times thus getting the feeling "I must have it just because I deserve it". You may also wish to rethink your strategy and consider becoming a sniper. As they say, if you can't beat them, join them. Best wishes on your bidding success once you apply either one of these new tactics! Sincerely, John Leckrone John@hopkinsvilleantiques.com
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HoldenRex
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I agree with John, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
I've also found that my success rate for winning auctions goes up when I snipe, and I tend to pay less. I still use proxy bids, but usually place them on items that either are unlikely to get much competition or items I just don't care about winning too much. But for the stuff I really want, I'll place a snipe bid or use a sniping service (I use Vrane). But whether I place a proxy bid or a snipe bid, I always have the same philosophy - one bid at the maximum I'm willing to pay. If I don't win, then it's no big deal because I'd rather keep the money.
I can't see eBay doing away with sniping anytime soon - a lot of buyers user it and prefer it. I'm not even sure there's any good way of eliminating sniping. I've heard people argue that some sort of automatic auction extension would work, where the auction is automatically extended five minutes if there is a bid within the last few minutes. But who does this favor? The sniper, who is sitting at the computer, as opposed to the proxy bidder who placed the proxy bid and walked away.
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drinnanc
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:48 am Post subject: Snipping and Bid process |
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RedBirdRidge
I have forgotten which site does this but I like the one that allows you to enter a bid at the last minute and it automatically extends the auction long enough for others to bid in real time auction style format.
I think the auctions are more fair and the prices higher. Frankly I sometimes get caught up in it.
Chuck
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RedBirdRidge
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: Snipping and Bid process |
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| drinnanc wrote: | RedBirdRidge
I have forgotten which site does this but I like the one that allows you to enter a bid at the last minute and it automatically extends the auction long enough for others to bid in real time auction style format.
I think the auctions are more fair and the prices higher. Frankly I sometimes get caught up in it.
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Yes, that's my point. Both Yahoo and Overstock have that policy. I don't mind losing to an actual bidder who is sitting at the computer and bidding in real time. That's the fun of the game! I was talking about the sniper software -- if you don't know someone is going to bid against you, you don't have a chance to enter into the fray.
Sure, you can put an extremely high maximum bid on the proxy bid method,.... but what's to keep a seller from upping the bid artificially from a separate computer, with a separate I.D.?
This happened to me recently, I think, but of course there is no way to know for sure.
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sandyyy
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| Ebay is only one of my shops on the web, i will delete it if the shop can't bring me enough return. and i do not want to put my main site on Ebay, start fee is cheap but maintain cost is high. |
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HoldenRex
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I was talking about the sniper software -- if you don't know someone is going to bid against you, you don't have a chance to enter into the fray. |
But any human sniper worth his or her salt will bid in such a way that the opposition can't respond. I've placed many bids in the last ten seconds of the auction while sitting at the computer, which is about the same as an automated program would do. And like a snipe program, if there were an automatic extension, I would not continue to bid because my maximum would already be out there.
| Quote: | | Sure, you can put an extremely high maximum bid on the proxy bid method,.... but what's to keep a seller from upping the bid artificially from a separate computer, with a separate I.D.? |
If a seller is going to run up the price of the auction with a shill account, there's nothing stopping him from engaging in a bidding war at the end of the auction either. |
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xppman
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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I hate to be the one to remind you guys but:
The topic here is:
What do you think of eBay ecommerce web-hosting?
Not snipers of auctions.
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HoldenRex
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, the topic got sidetracked, and I am guilty as charged. I can't resist a good sniper debate. |
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xppman
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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I can relate. LOL
So What do you think of eBay ecommerce web-hosting?
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HoldenRex
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Too early to tell until we start seeing some specifics. I'm selling online part-time, and my business is not focused enough to justify a website at this point. If and when I get to that point, I would examine the options and go from there. |
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