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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 6:59 pm    Post subject: Top Five Online Auction (or Ecommerce) Stories of 2003 Reply with quote

We're going to be doing a recap of 2003 in our next newsletter. What do you think the top 5 stories of the past year were in this industry? What do you think the biggest story will be in 2004? Looking forward to hearing your opinions.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I would have to consider the development of Froogle to be one of the top stories. I don't have a fixed price site myself, but this past year I have begun to use it to make purchases - either for items I couldn't find on eBay, or when I could find a better deal on Froogle. Either way, I no longer look at just eBay when making a purchase.

Along similar lines, I would consider the continuing migration of sellers from eBay to their own websites (or other established fixed-price venues) to be another significant development. I haven't done so myself, but clearly a lot of successful sellers are using eBay less as a selling tool and more as a marketing tool to drive business to their own sites.

Emergence of B&M eBay consignment franchises - I'm rather apprehensive about these - so many people I've purchased merchandise from at yard sales have said, "yeah, I would have put that on eBay except for all the time it takes..." As an eBay seller, do I really want the few remaining yard sale bargains to be lost to a service which makes the eBay option easy for a price? On the other hand, I've mulled over the possibility of getting in on the ground floor of such an operation. Either way, I think this is one of the major stories of the year.

Sellathon - I've always been fascinated with marketing research and fine-tuning approaches to marketing, and Sellathon finally gives me that ability (having lost it since eBay banished the Java script which made HumanClick functional on their site). I've just signed up for the free trial and I've already learned (as others in the book forum have discovered) that just adding the word "book" will get my auctions more looks, and if selling a "how to ~~~~" book, then add "how to" to the auction title even if not actually in the title of the book, because people do search on those words (and I'm sure I'll discover many more such tricks as I continue to use it).

eBay Subtitles! The most overlooked story of the year, IMHO. As sellers, we've known that many of our auctions' page views come from searches on item titles. And we've all agonized over the very limited 45 characters that we have to gain the attention of those searching on item titles. Indeed, it seems that even the most casual of sellers has finally realized that "LQQK" isn't going to snare any additional bidders. So instead of agonizing over the options of picking two of the three: book title, author, or subject matter, we can now agonize over whether or not it will be worth the additional half-dollar to gain those extra key words. But at least we now have that option - as with eBay's other add-ons, sometimes I use it, sometimes I don't, depending on the item in question.

Ok, those are my five pics of biggest e-commerce stories of the year. But as long as we're on the topic of e-commerce stories, I'd like to extend a big "thank you" to the AuctionBytes staff for continuing to bring us timely and informative articles and opinions on all sorts of online commerce topics, as well as providing these wonderful forums to exchange ideas. Auctionbytes rocks and/or rolls.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

in my opinion- these were 2 of the biggest stories in 2003

Battle for Eyeballs Drives Google Traffic to eBay
By Ina & David Steiner
AuctionBytes.com
October 24, 2003

The Glitch that Stole Christmas? eBay Merchants Frustrated During Prime Selling Season
By Ina & David Steiner
AuctionBytes.com
December 07, 2003

thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me, the list would have to include eBay's losing battles on patent infringment issues. Take your pick which one... they got a judgement of 35 mil against them for one of them. And the one with AT&T is still ongoing - a 2004 contender perhaps.

On the fraud scene, the guy who lived within a short drive from eBay's customer service center in Utah, who bilked buyers for $250,000 selling bogus laptops, over several months comes to mind.

Within eBay site operations itself, I'd have to say that the continued expansion in sales volume certainly can't be ignored.

On a personal note however, commoditization of product offerings, erosion of the collectibles market, and a decline in sell through continues.

And I've seen where many sellers are forgoing auction sales except as a means of marketing and cash flow management.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are many great stories, but I think more attention should be paid to new auction start ups that are having great success. We have contacted this forum more than once about our new start-up www.sterlingbidz.com and have not seen one bleep of information about it. If the market place is going to grow outside ebay, we need to give notice to those who are breaking away with success. I have seen stories on sites that get as many bids in a month as we do in a day. We outperform most of the new guys and get no recognition?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the ebay paypal merger
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happy New Year everyone,

I think the emergence of the eBay drop-off stores and trading assistants is the most intriguing story of the year. I think the concept of opening a "bricks-and-mortar" store to promote your online selling efforts is an interesting twist. I have been reading for years how small sellers have abandonded their booths and stores to sell online.

From the perspective of the "stay at home entrepreneur", I know several bored, young mothers who would like the idea of shopping for bargains as a side job. No selling, no mailing, just shopping! These drop off stores could turn into a fun and easy income for them.

I look forward to the coming year where hopefully more and more people will be turning on their computers for buying and selling. It can only help us all.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I look forward to the coming year where hopefully more and more people will be turning on their computers for buying and selling. It can only help us all.
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I agree with you in this respect and hope that the lower prices on computers will get more and more people into online buying and selling! The ebay dropoff thing is a neat concept that need not apply only to ebay! This might be a good thing for different consignemnt or other shops to do! Personally, If I were selling something on consignment (which I have done in the past) I prefer to have the item in my hot little hand so i can photograph it and describe it acurately. I once sold an item..a gorgeous antique china box, on consignment. I went to the state of florida to inspect and photograph it, but the seller did not want it to be taken from her state. I can understand this, as it was a valuable and rare piece..however, when it sold, the owner shipped it and it was wrapped only in newspaper! needless to say it arrived in shards...I was just horrified, as was the buyer..so I will never sell on consignment again unless I have the item and can pack it myself, lol.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 9:07 am    Post subject: get it right Reply with quote

Tizaworld wrote:
There are many great stories, but I think more attention should be paid to new auction start ups that are having great success. We have contacted this forum more than once about our new start-up www.sterlingbidz.com and have not seen one bleep of information about it. If the market place is going to grow outside ebay, we need to give notice to those who are breaking away with success. I have seen stories on sites that get as many bids in a month as we do in a day. We outperform most of the new guys and get no recognition?


SO I go to give it a try. It was an excruciating adventure. I could not find "fees" anywhere. I wasted my time, about 30 minutes in all, which by the way has value to ME. I was ready to list an auction. And you want to charge me SIXTY FIVE CENTS to list it???? I can pay to less to list it on Ebay, and I'll sell it! Your fee schedule should be posted where it can be viewed clearly.

Forget it. If you knew how frustrating this repeated unprofessional conduct is to sellers looking for alternatives, you would make sure you get it right. THis is why nobody can knock down the big guys.

UPDATE:

After suggesting the fee schedule be posted, I received this response from the site, "The fee is not public information."
Next, I was queried about my "store". This line is taken from the site, "You must also pass our verification process and be approved for a particular category. The number of sellers is restricted in certain categories. Those with a business license and history in online sales are given priority.", which I suppose is their business, however, reading above, one would think that they expect to be viewed, and used, as an Ebay style auction site. Then I get this email, "What is your store name so we can mark you off the list? I could not find any Country Owl store that had been invited." So apparently you have to be invited.

In fact the complaint posted here would have one believe they ran a regular online auction site, and weren't getting a fair shake in the publicity department. Hmmm.

I was not sent an email regarding any verification process, I was posting an auction without being verified. I just didn't hit the "post item" button, because of the charge.

Anyway, call me completely confused on this one. The site owner pooh poohs the lack of publicity, but does not make fees public information, and does not verify sellers who must be verified to sell, at least according to their own information.

Who knew?

Hopefully the site rep will respond in this forum.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 9:06 pm    Post subject: Barb's 2004 OA Industry Predictions Reply with quote

Here are my ideas on what may happen in the online auction industry during 2004.

1. With the FedEx acquisition of Kinko's, both "full service" and "self service" auction drop off support will be available at Kinko's retail locations.

2. Yahoo will expand its PayDirect service to compete with PayPal.

3. eBay will eliminate Stores listing fees in an attempt to reclaim Half.com inventory that is not transitioned to eBay.

4. Related to #3 above, Amazon MarketPlace will expand and provide "Half.com-like" features not available on eBay.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think FedEx owning Kinkos may be akin to UPS owning Mail Boxes Etc. pack-n-ship stores, in that it gives these delivery powerhouses a retail outlet.

UPS is already integrated into eBay. I wonder if the UPS stores will offer eBay drop-off services, possibly in partnership with eBay?

It's also interesting to note that UPS has agreements with some Staples stores. My local Staples has an area sublet to UPS where I can drop off packages.

Anyway, having a retail location to accept consignments is the easy part! The listing and selling are the hard parts.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:15 pm    Post subject: Top five stories Reply with quote

My quick picks would be:

General buying trends including impact that the war in Iraq has had on sales.
Introduction and evolution of eBay stores.

Announcement by eBay of requirement for login to view completed auctions with noises indicating a paid model for market data based on closed auction information. I see paid market data emerging as a trend for 2004.

Passage of the DoNotCall and CanSPAM privacy legislation. Watch for the fallout in 2004.
Increasing mainstream adoption of online shopping, in part fueled by aggressive, targeted advertising, including the "Do it eBay" campaigns.
Widespread adoption of SEO technologies and PayPerClick models, including Google AdWords and Keywords by eBay.
Increased availability of tools enabling small businesses to develop private sites, including the evolution of the .net platform.
This one just happened on 1/8, but I liked the PayPal terms change prohibiting seizure of funds in bank accounts to satisfy outstanding PayPal issues. This addresses the major concern PP detractors have expressed over the years.



Happy selling in 2004!

Best regards,

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 4:35 pm    Post subject: get it right Reply with quote

www.sterlingbidz.com response to: thecountryowl

Dear Sir,

The information required of sellers is under the link entitled "selling". We cannot allow unverified people to list items. Your email did not suggest to us to make the fees public, it was rather rude and stated you were going to go elsewhere. We cannot verify a person who does not wish to be verified. We do this for the protection of our customers. When items sell on our site, we want to insure the customers get their product. The bidders are the most important part of the site. We will protect them to the best of our ability. We want to make sure sellers will offer a legitimate product. While it may appear that you can list items without verification, when an unverified seller hits the “post” button, he / she will get an error message.
You were also taken off the list for potential sellers, based on your rude email. How you behave with us is how you will deal with the public, we cannot and will not have people abuse our bidders. I do not consider this unprofessional conduct. It is the exact opposite. It is true that most sellers are invited, but some do initiate contact with us. If they are professional and have a history of online sales in quality products, we normally let them in.

Regarding the listing fees: we charge them to keep the site from becoming junk filled. The prices items command on the site are higher than ebay in most instances and your product is not lost among the millions. Also, from what I can see of bidville.com (free listing for everyone) very few items are selling. While they have huge numbers of items, few have bids. I believe if you were to compare our site to them you would see less items on our site, but more bids in an hour than they get in one day.
We spend a lot of money weeding out bogus bidders and fake registrations. At least part of this cost has to be passed onto our certified sellers who benefit from this the most.

If you wish to discuss this further, please go to the site www.sterlingbidz.com and click on the contact link. We do not often visit the forums.

Regards,

Mark Hutto
Tizaworld, Inc.
PS We have been in the auction business for years. There is not one site that has kept free listing fees (that is worth listing on). Why start a site pretending it is free when that is just a tool to lock you in?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: get it right yourself Reply with quote

Tizaworld wrote:
www.sterlingbidz.com response to: thecountryowl

Dear Sir,

The information required of sellers is under the link entitled "selling". We cannot allow unverified people to list items. Your email did not suggest to us to make the fees public, it was rather rude and stated you were going to go elsewhere.


Well Mark, here is the text of the message I sent, that I have on my computer. I don't recall if I emailed you earlier, but this message simply states, "You should have posted your fee schedule clearly.

You've lost me.

Bye.

Jim Walsh"


I do apologize if you found that rude, or if I have somehow offended you.

Secondly, I think if you took a poll of sellers here, you'd find that the overwhelming majority of sellers will want to see a fee schedule before they list items for sale. To me at least, that is a no brainer.

Thirdly, I have your home page open right now, there is nothing on it about $1.00 no reserve auctions .

I think the problem is this. Obviously, Sterlingbidz is a coin site, open to very few sellers. This should be made clear to others.

Afterall, you said this:
Tizaworld wrote:


There are many great stories, but I think more attention should be paid to new auction start ups that are having great success. We have contacted this forum more than once about our new start-up www.sterlingbidz.com and have not seen one bleep of information about it. If the market place is going to grow outside ebay, we need to give notice to those who are breaking away with success. I have seen stories on sites that get as many bids in a month as we do in a day. We outperform most of the new guys and get no recognition?


To me that was a complaint that you weren't getting enough activity and publicity on your site. I simply thought I'd slide over and help you out, and maybe bag myself a few sales. I think in the name of fairness, it would have been better if you had described your site in the post.

Tizaworld wrote:

We cannot verify a person who does not wish to be verified. We do this for the protection of our customers. When items sell on our site, we want to insure the customers get their product. The bidders are the most important part of the site. We will protect them to the best of our ability. We want to make sure sellers will offer a legitimate product. While it may appear that you can list items without verification, when an unverified seller hits the “post” button, he / she will get an error message.


It would likely be far better for all future members of your site if the message appeared long before the work was done.
Tizaworld wrote:

You were also taken off the list for potential sellers, based on your rude email. How you behave with us is how you will deal with the public, we cannot and will not have people abuse our bidders. I do not consider this unprofessional conduct. It is the exact opposite. It is true that most sellers are invited, but some do initiate contact with us. If they are professional and have a history of online sales in quality products, we normally let them in.



You lose.
Check out my feedback on eBay, Mark. Been selling almost 4 years on the web. On eBay alone, 451 total positives, 2 neutral, and 1 neg. Ask any of my customers. You should have done your homework on that statement before you typed it. I have lots of positive feedback all over the web, with only 1 negative. My customers are all kings, and queens to me and they get treated like royalty. I can't believe you didn't ask or check before you made that statement.


Tizaworld wrote:


Regarding the listing fees: we charge them to keep the site from becoming junk filled. The prices items command on the site are higher than ebay in most instances and your product is not lost among the millions. Also, from what I can see of bidville.com (free listing for everyone) very few items are selling. While they have huge numbers of items, few have bids. I believe if you were to compare our site to them you would see less items on our site, but more bids in an hour than they get in one day.
We spend a lot of money weeding out bogus bidders and fake registrations. At least part of this cost has to be passed onto our certified sellers who benefit from this the most.


How many sellers are at Sterlingbidz? 2, 3, 4? I'm not suggesting your site should be free. I simply stated that .65 was out of line in my opinion. I list and sell on free to list sites, in fact there are a lot of us sellers who do.


Tizaworld wrote:

If you wish to discuss this further, please go to the site www.sterlingbidz.com and click on the contact link. We do not often visit the forums.


Oh, no thanks Mark. I'll keep the discussion right here at Auction Bytes, where you started the discussion.

Tizaworld wrote:

PS We have been in the auction business for years. There is not one site that has kept free listing fees (that is worth listing on). Why start a site pretending it is free when that is just a tool to lock you in?


As previously mentioned, I sell on free to list sites. I don't sell a ton of items, but I make some money. My site, Hobby Wheels Deals, is free to list. I'd say it is "worth listing on". I don't "pretend it is free". It is free to list. Romahawk, Bidchaser, Epier, Bidville, Auctions Anonymous, Sell Your Item, and the list goes on and on, all hard working webmasters, offering alternatives. I think your statement is short on thought, and long on arrogance. The folks that run those sites all hope to offer an alternative. My guess is if you weren't specializing in coins, you wouldn't be charging .65 a pop to list.

I know you've been in the business for years, and I'm not trying to tell you what you should do, but look before you leap comes to mind.

Thank you for your response.

Jim
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 6:56 pm    Post subject: Get it right Reply with quote

Dear Sir,

Even though you said you would keep it in the forum, here is your most recent email in response to ours informing you that we have posted a reply to your message:

Quote:
care to forward the "ignorant" email??

Jim


I really did mean it when I said you were rude and we don't want that attitude on the site.

thecountryowl wrote:
Thirdly, I have your home page open right now, there is nothing on it about $1.00 no reserve auctions .


$1.00 No reserve is in the header.

If you don't like the site, it is ok. We love it and so do our customers.


We wish you the best of luck in whatever you do.


Thanks,

Mark Hutto
www.sterlingbidz.com
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