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bystander
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| angelsplace wrote: | ya know..I may not know much about what is and whats not spam but I do want to know if I'm being directed to eBay before I click a link on the search results.
for instance..if I'm searching for sayyyy...Deruta Pottery and I come to the results and there is a link there with a URL called Deruta-Pottery....blah blah..I am going to click on that thinking I'm going to be going to a site that specializes in and knows about Deruta pottery..instead I'm brought to a page where there is nothing but links directing me to eBay..therefore I did not reach a site that I thought was run by a Deruta Pottery expert but just a page of links leading me to auctions on eBay. Now...if I have no plans on bidding on eBay..why would I want to GO to eBay. I really think that these results should at least forewarn us that we are about to go to eBay and not where we think we're going. These links basically dupe a person into thinking they're going somewhere else and then directed to eBay. And the bad thing is..the entire pages are filled with nothing but these types of links that fool a person into thinking they're going somewhere else and wind up in the same place as the last link they clicked..eBay!
The fact that the links are eBay or an eBay affiliate link needs to be brought up front before a unknowing person clicks on the link and winds up where they don't want to go and then click the next link and wind up back where they were before..I may have DSL and it's frustrating at a high speed..I can't even imagine how a person with dial up feels...it's a complete waste of time for the consumer. This is eventually going to make online shopping a thing of the past since the consumer will get fed up and go to Walmart! It's getting to the point that it's faster to drive..find a parking space..walk in..pick up what you want and wait on line at the check out..drive home and take your stuff out of the bag! these links are destroying internet shopping. |
It might be a waste of time for you however it may not be a waste of time for many others. You are assuming that every person using the web has your knowledge. Do you know that a majority of users have no clue that you could buy Derutta Pottery on ebay? Do you think that affiliates would be doing all this work if visitors weren't responding by purchasing items through these sites? I think there is value offered by affiliates as they bridge the gap between buyers and sellers.
What is wrong is when one person registers 200 domains and carpet bombs the first few pages of a search. Whether they are affiliate links has no relevance.
You seem to have a problem seperating the two. |
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angelsplace
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| bystander wrote: | It might be a waste of time for you however it may not be a waste of time for many others. You are assuming that every person using the web has your knowledge. Do you know that a majority of users have no clue that you could buy Derutta Pottery on ebay? Do you think that affiliates would be doing all this work if visitors weren't responding by purchasing items through these sites? I think there is value offered by affiliates as they bridge the gap between buyers and sellers.
What is wrong is when one person registers 200 domains and carpet bombs the first few pages of a search. Whether they are affiliate links has no relevance.
You seem to have a problem seperating the two. |
Actually..I'm not sure what the difference is...I have no problem with an affiliate that puts pages on like the one that mainseek one...they haven't bombarded the searches with pages and pages of results leading people right back where they started in the first place..the ones I have a problem with is the ones that fill the entire page with links that don't warn you that you're headed for eBay upfront and each link leads you to the same place with a different name. I may be technically impaired and most of this seems to be techno babble to me..but I do know that I keep coming up in the same place every time I click on something..its like being stuck in a web or maze and never finding my way out.
what's the difference between these and affiliate links? So far all I've seen is the ones that fill up all the search pages and nothing else and they seem to be determined as affiliate pages.
Why can't these links at least warn the consumer that they are going to be going to eBay before they click the link? Not everyone shops eBay. Also..why won't eBay take responsibility for what is happening here with their affiliates. You might not be one of the "bad ones" but the others are making a bad name for the affiliate program and eBay seems to be doing nothing about it and don't have a problem with it at all.
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online-merchant
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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btw. This spammer was using Google adsense and Amazon as well. So whoever came up with the theory "sites using adsense will not be banned" is false. |
I never saw Google or Amazon on the sites I looked at. Only eBay.
If he was an AdSense affiliate, how did such a big-time spammer get approved for this program.  |
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poetswares
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| bystander wrote: | Eliminator. You are absolutely correct. That is the reason why this particular spammer was having his sites removed and not the other sites. It was an extremely large scale network of spam sites.
Google is not in the business of removing sites individually because it's doesn't fix the problem. They learn from these sites and try to change their algorithm so the sites don't appear in the first few pages. They only removed this spammer because he was big time!
btw. This spammer was using Google adsense and Amazon as well. So whoever came up with the theory "sites using adsense will not be banned" is false. |
thank you!! this is very interesting! 
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angelsplace
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Does Tias have an affiliate program or use this adsense thing?
if not..why? if it's going to draw traffic to us legally...can't we use it too?
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poetswares
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| angelsplace wrote: | Does Tias have an affiliate program or use this adsense thing?
if not..why? if it's going to draw traffic to us legally...can't we use it too? |
probably because of what baydreamer said earlier..about there being no real value to the consumer..about having all those links..and it irritates customers
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angelsplace
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| poetswares wrote: |
probably because of what baydreamer said earlier..about there being no real value to the consumer..about having all those links..and it irritates customers |
oh..so no then! hmmmm..well..shouldn't we just beat them at their own game?? At this point no one is making any money not doing anything at except trying to get Google to remove these links and depending on Google to do what they need to do is still not making any of us money. Maybe we need to use another approach?
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ABC Antiques
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| bystander wrote: | | Do you know that a majority of users have no clue that you could buy Derutta Pottery on ebay? |
I'm curious where you got this tidbit of information. Ebay has gotten to be practically a household name. Out of every hunderd people I talk to who buy antiques and collectibles, I am lucky if two of them do not say "Oh, you sell on eBay" when I mention that I sell online also. That statement of yours is a bit of a misnomer, there are less people who are aware of the fixed price sites than eBay, more do not have a clue there is anywhere else to buy online.
Sounds like eBay propaganda. They have been blaming the fixed price sites for siphoning off their traffic for the last couple of years. There has been alot of belt tightening on their part to decrease exposure to fixed price sites, no links allowed or mention allowed unless you bury it in your About Me page, etc.
Their traffic, prices and completed sales are down moreso due to the drop in quality of the sellers and the lack of any true program of buyer protection. Buyer beware is tough to sell when the person cannot see the piece in question to determine its quality or validity. What is the best they have to go on? The photos, which could very well be stolen. The description, which could also be stolen or very easily be something less than truthful. The feedback system, which has turned into about a total joke and is many times almost based on extortion. You give me negative feedback for the misrepresented piece of crap I sold you and you're getting a negative too, I don't care if you paid within 15 minutes of auction close. There are large numbers of people anymore who will not buy anything online from anywhere due to their bad experiences on eBay and this number is growing.
I'm not saying there are not people who have not heard of eBay, geez some people don't even have a clue who is president. What gives eBay more of a right to these buyers than the fixed price sites though? Why are they so afraid of a little competition from the fixed price sites if they are so great? They should spend all of that money they are dumping into the affiliate programs on positive internal changes if they want to draw in and keep customers. Maybe you should think twice about who you are affiliated with.
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poetswares
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lol Donna..you crack me up.
But I did notice something scary and this tells you how tricky glassagog was..there are legitimate sites that actually have a link from thier site to glassagog and list it as a research link!!! This is scary to me..and one very respected antiques site also had them listed as a research source..probably due to the fact that they had those deceptive pages that made you think you would be directed to glass research sites...I am sure that these sites would be upset to know that they have a link on thier page that is a spam page, but what to do?
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angelsplace
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Wow...a research link eh?? that's way too funny...research on eBay! Half the people on eBay have no clue what they're selling!
OH..ABC! You're RIGHT! When ever I tell someone I have a store online..they ALWAYS say "oh you sell on eBay"!!!
I think at this point between the TV comercials...the spam...bilboards..magazine ads...Word of Mouth...YOU NAME IT..a person would have had to spend the last ten years under a rock to not have heard of eBay! I agree..most people have never heard of the internet malls but not hear about eBay? Impossible...everyone knows eBay..therefore they really don't need to attack the search engines like they are..that's what I've been trying to say all along..they're a huge cash cow...a money monster..yet they are taking business away from the "little people" trying to make a mere existance on the internet and survive...they have the money and resourses to take over the world and they seem to be doing just that..for what? They're as known as Walmart is!
now tell me there are people that never heard of Walmart!
OK...maybe in Nigeria there's no Walmart...but come on now...everyone knows eBay...but not everyone wants to shop eBay! Yet they are being forced to go to eBay no matter what they do anymore! AND..like I've been saying...they are being directed to eBay under false pretenses..they have no clue they have clicked a link that will lead them straight to eBay until they get there. PUT eBay info on your links and descriptions and lets see how many hits you get then..this must be the reason that information is somehow eliminated from the links...you don't want them to know before hand..you're tricking them into your web of auctions!
 Hellp..I'm in eBay and I can't get out!!!!
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bystander
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| ABC Antiques wrote: | | bystander wrote: | | Do you know that a majority of users have no clue that you could buy Derutta Pottery on ebay? |
I'm curious where you got this tidbit of information. Ebay has gotten to be practically a household name. Out of every hunderd people I talk to who buy antiques and collectibles, I am lucky if two of them do not say "Oh, you sell on eBay" when I mention that I sell online also. That statement of yours is a bit of a misnomer, there are less people who are aware of the fixed price sites than eBay, more do not have a clue there is anywhere else to buy online.
Sounds like eBay propaganda. They have been blaming the fixed price sites for siphoning off their traffic for the last couple of years. There has been alot of belt tightening on their part to decrease exposure to fixed price sites, no links allowed or mention allowed unless you bury it in your About Me page, etc.
Their traffic, prices and completed sales are down moreso due to the drop in quality of the sellers and the lack of any true program of buyer protection. Buyer beware is tough to sell when the person cannot see the piece in question to determine its quality or validity. What is the best they have to go on? The photos, which could very well be stolen. The description, which could also be stolen or very easily be something less than truthful. The feedback system, which has turned into about a total joke and is many times almost based on extortion. You give me negative feedback for the misrepresented piece of crap I sold you and you're getting a negative too, I don't care if you paid within 15 minutes of auction close. There are large numbers of people anymore who will not buy anything online from anywhere due to their bad experiences on eBay and this number is growing.
I'm not saying there are not people who have not heard of eBay, geez some people don't even have a clue who is president. What gives eBay more of a right to these buyers than the fixed price sites though? Why are they so afraid of a little competition from the fixed price sites if they are so great? They should spend all of that money they are dumping into the affiliate programs on positive internal changes if they want to draw in and keep customers. Maybe you should think twice about who you are affiliated with. |
And I bet you probably don't know that more than 14 Million people actually tried searching for "yahoo" on a search engine. Of course you would say "all the people I know would just type it in the address field".
Searches done in January 2004
Count Search Term
14365874 yahoo
Ebay affiliates only get 5 cents when someone bids on something and $5.00 (sliding scale) when a new user signs up. Do you think these top affiliates make money from the 5 cent bid or new user registration. |
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angelsplace
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| bystander wrote: | | Ebay affiliates only get 5 cents when someone bids on something and $5.00 (sliding scale) when a new user signs up. Do you think these top affiliates make money from the 5 cent bid or new user registration. |
Then why do it?  It can't be out of the goodness of your heart for eBay!
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | OK...maybe in Nigeria there's no Walmart...but come on now...everyone knows eBay...but not everyone wants to shop eBay! Yet they are being forced to go to eBay no matter what they do anymore! |
You sound like the forced out of business mom and pop video stores complaining about Blockbuster video. Whaaaa. Whaaa.. People will be forced to drive twice as far to rent a video now!
Your funny!  |
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bystander
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| angelsplace wrote: | | bystander wrote: | | Ebay affiliates only get 5 cents when someone bids on something and $5.00 (sliding scale) when a new user signs up. Do you think these top affiliates make money from the 5 cent bid or new user registration. |
Then why do it? It can't be out of the goodness of your heart for eBay! |
Hmm... maybe it's because a lot of people don't know you can buy these things on eBay. Hence a new user registration. |
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angelsplace
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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But Blockbuster didn't put up "Bob's Barracades" up all over the roads detouring traffic away from Mom and Pop forcing all traffic into their parking lot..they gave the consumer the CHOICE to go where they want to go..they also didn't put a sign up on their buildings that says..."Just Videos" and when they walk inside..find blockbuster signs all over the place. They clearly state they're blockbuster BEFORE they walk inside and they leave the roads clear so the consumer has choices which road to take and where they want to go!
Blockbuster advertises...Walmart Advertises..eBay advertises..the difference is..Blockbuster and Walmart let the people make their own choices...apparently eBay does not!
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