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ABC Antiques
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| bystander wrote: | | Of course you would say "all the people I know would just type it in the address field". |
No, actually I would say they they might do something like that so they don't have to clear their toolbar of a bunch of clutter. I sometimes do similar things like that myself so I don't have to go in and clear the history on the toolbar. I like to keep relevent sites in the history and leave it alone as opposed to cluttering it up and clearing it. You may find others who do the same.
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poetswares
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| angelsplace wrote: | Wow...a research link eh??  that's way too funny...research on eBay! Half the people on eBay have no clue what they're selling!
OH..ABC! You're RIGHT! When ever I tell someone I have a store online..they ALWAYS say "oh you sell on eBay"!!!
I think at this point between the TV comercials...the spam...bilboards..magazine ads...Word of Mouth...YOU NAME IT..a person would have had to spend the last ten years under a rock to not have heard of eBay!
AGREED and most know you can find ANYTHING on ebay (almost)
I agree..most people have never heard of the internet malls but not hear about eBay? Impossible...everyone knows eBay..therefore they really don't need to attack the search engines like they are..that's what I've been trying to say all along..they're a huge cash cow...a money monster..yet they are taking business away from the "little people" trying to make a mere existance on the internet and survive...they have the money and resourses to take over the world and they seem to be doing just that..for what? They're as known as Walmart is!
now tell me there are people that never heard of Walmart!
OK...maybe in Nigeria there's no Walmart...
No, but there is nigeria in Walmarthttp://www.walmart.com/catalog/product_listing.gsp?cat=20741&path=0%3A3920%3A18748%3A18749%3A20741
 Hellp..I'm in eBay and I can't get out!!!! |
hee hee...the thing is they are paying the affiliates all this dough and yet RAISING fees!!! raising fees to pay affiliates?
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poetswares
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | What is wrong is when one person registers 200 domains and carpet bombs the first few pages of a search. Whether they are affiliate links has no relevance.
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agreed-no matter who they are this is annoying abd wrong
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angelsplace
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| bystander wrote: |
Hmm... maybe it's because a lot of people don't know you can buy these things on eBay. Hence a new user registration. |
Well...since eBay has comercials all over TV telling people they can buy anything from a PDA to a Moose head...I would think people would know you can buy just about anything in between too..you seem to be basing this on the fact that people are pretty stupid not to know that there is a whole world of stuff between a PDA and moose head! IF people are on the internet..then I'm sure they have a TV too! I can't find ONE person that doesn't know about eBay and all the stuff you can get on there...hell..you can even buy a moldy bra that fell out of the ceiling and a straw with goo on the end! YES..these things WERE on eBay as well as dented canned goods!
People aren't that uninformed and definately not that stupid! EVERYONE knows what you can get on eBay and doesn't need to be redirected there everytime they search for something on Google or any other search engine. If they want to shop at eBay..they'll go to eBay on their own!
again..I ask..why don't you at least let people KNOW they're going to be going to eBay BEFORE they click the link?? You seem to be avoiding that question...if it said eBay on the link or in the description..then people wouldnt' be fooled into clicking. right?
as for the .5cents and 5.00 for sign ups...with all the links you guys have taking over the search engines and all the click thrus by fooling people into clicking..you must be raking in a mint...THIS is why you don't let them know they're clicking thru to eBay..they might not click then!
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poetswares
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | there is a whole world of stuff between a PDA and moose head! |
LOL..my new store slogan
mooseheads to pda's and everything in between, lol
and you a5re correct that a clearly marked link gives a choice to the searcher to click or don't click..if u were thinking of looking on ebay, you click..if you don't like ebay-you don't click-if you are curious-maybe you click
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angelsplace
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| poetswares wrote: | LOL..my new store slogan
mooseheads to pda's and everything in between, lol
and you a5re correct that a clearly marked link gives a choice to the searcher to click or don't click..if u were thinking of looking on ebay, you click..if you don't like ebay-you don't click-if you are curious-maybe you click |
EXACTLY! I've been asking this question all along..why don't they just let the public know they're headed for eBay BEFORE they click and yet that question hasn't been answered...but the answer is obvious! If they let them know..less click thrus and less money in their pockets! Yet..it's bad business to con consumers into a "web of deceipt" by taking them to eBay every time they click on something.
I loved that comparison from Bystander about Blockbuster and mom and pop video...NO comparison at all..Blockbuster doesn't need to fool people into going there to rent videos...their sign clearly say's Blockbuster Video on it! These affiliate links do NOT say eBay anywhere on them! BIG difference!
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ABC Antiques
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Blockbuster also did not, and is not making, a mockery of the video rental industry. Or are they auctioning the videos off to the highest renter now?
Not everyone is comfortable with and has a desire to make purchases at auction and should not have that almost forced upon them. It was beginning to look in some searches as though there was almost no place to go other than eBay. The affiliates all but owned the first two pages of the search.
It would be almost like me going to the billboard for the antique shop up the street and putting my billboard right in front of it to block the view of theirs. That would go over well! But then, of course, if it was an eBay affiliate it would be kosher. 
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angelsplace
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| ABC Antiques wrote: | | It would be almost like me going to the billboard for the antique shop up the street and putting my billboard right in front of it to block the view of theirs. That would go over well! But then, of course, if it was an eBay affiliate it would be kosher. |
Oh and don't forget about stealing the logos and pretty pictures off of their billboards and pasting them to yours claiming that you have those items in your store too so people will see what they want on YOUR billboard only to walk into your store and finding everything BUT what is on your billboard!
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online-merchant
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| sun818 wrote: | | Raise the quality of your web site and to have your site appear first. Learn the game too and beat the spammer. |
This is excellent advice. It does work and can be done legitimately. It IS being done legitimately.
I do appreciate those who took the time to bring this problem to everyone's attention. |
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angelsplace
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| baydreamersilver wrote: | This is excellent advice. It does work and can be done legitimately. It IS being done legitimately.
I do appreciate those who took the time to bring this problem to everyone's attention.
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sun818
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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> It IS being done legitimately.
Yes, I typically first before spammers in the category I sell in because I've worked very hard to get quality content on my web site and to have reputable sites link to me using relevant keywords. I think many of you are very personable and good communicators so you could easily beat the rankings of these spammers with your quality content. |
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oldtimes
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| ABC Antiques wrote: |
Their traffic, prices and completed sales are down moreso due to the drop in quality of the sellers and the lack of any true program of buyer protection. Buyer beware is tough to sell when the person cannot see the piece in question to determine its quality or validity. What is the best they have to go on? The photos, which could very well be stolen. The description, which could also be stolen or very easily be something less than truthful. The feedback system, which has turned into about a total joke and is many times almost based on extortion. You give me negative feedback for the misrepresented piece of crap I sold you and you're getting a negative too, I don't care if you paid within 15 minutes of auction close. There are large numbers of people anymore who will not buy anything online from anywhere due to their bad experiences on eBay and this number is growing.
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Amen on that! I never leave negative feedback anymore, even when I had my money stolen! People will leave you negative feedback and then you end up looking like the bad guy! And if they don't send your goods at all, you are totally out of luck. It has happened to me before, I was buying overseas. They kept saying they sent it, they sent it, and it was just taking a long time to get there, and I waited. Well, after so many days there is nothing they (eBay or Paypal) will do for you. And these guys had feedback too.
I have also gotten some incredibly rude emails from eBay sellers! I won the auction, actually bought 7 items, and the guy sent me this really rude email about how he doesn't put up with deadbeats, you better pay or else, and this was 15 minutes after the auction closed! I paid asap, he didn't even put the item in a box to ship it! messed up the original box it was in, and charged me 4 times the actual shipping cost! Did I leave negative feedback? Heck no! I looked at his feedback and everyone of the ones who left him Neg got it in return, even the ones you could tell by what they said in there feedback of him was true. So I just don't leave anyfeedback at all for guys like that. Their system is a joke.
Now at TIAS, if you were to actually have a problem with a merchant (which is extremely rare, but possible), you can get a live human being on the phone at TIAS or an immediate response to your email. You can bet things will get worked out lickety split, as you not only are dealing with the merchant directly, but you also know that the mall is there to back things up. I have found that everyone I have bought from at TIAS has been very pleasant to deal with, and hassel free as much as can be possible. Even though I am well aware of eBay and buy there, I would prefer to shop at TIAS.
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angelsplace
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| sun818 wrote: | > It IS being done legitimately.
Yes, I typically first before spammers in the category I sell in because I've worked very hard to get quality content on my web site and to have reputable sites link to me using relevant keywords. I think many of you are very personable and good communicators so you could easily beat the rankings of these spammers with your quality content. |
Actually Sun....we all work VERY hard on our sites..have quality content and use MANY keywords and we USED to show up on the first pages of the search results due to our hard work and usage of keywords in all of our items..it takes alot of time to get all the keywords into a description and have that description sound not only normal..but that the consumer really wants the item...the thing is...now that these spammers have taken over the search engines...we are nowhere to be found anymore. Ever since this happened our Google hits dropped right off the map.
None of us have a problem with a legitimate affiliate..but when someone comes in and in one huge swoop takes over the internet with all the same stuff and no matter what you click you wind up in the same place with a different name...it gets very frustrating for the consumers..especially if they don't want to shop eBay that they eventually give up before they can reach a page way in the back where we all are sitting now that this spam is going on.
The thing is..there should be one link per page per store in the results...not a million links leading you to the same item.
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angelsplace
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:19 am Post subject: |
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OMG! funny you guys would mention feedback being a joke and extortion and also the shipping!
I ordered 15 yards of trim on eBay for 9.99 and they charged me 5.50 for shipping with insurance..when I received the ribbon it was in an envelope and the postage was only .60cents! So I did email them based on principle only and asked about this and he responded with ... "Handling..he had to cut the ribbon and place it in the envelop!" The ribbon was basically shoved in the envelope and the ends were frayed..not cut and carefully taped...then there was the insurance of the 1.50 I paid for..how did the envelope have only .60 cents postage when I paid 1.50 for insurance...get this..his answer to this was "I insure the package myself and if it gets lost or stolen I replace it myself" NOW..why should I pay an extra 1.50 to him to insure that it would be replaced if I don't receive my package?? duh!
I left him positive feedback! 
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sun818
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:37 am Post subject: |
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> the thing is...now that these spammers have taken over the search engines...
> we are nowhere to be found anymore.
> Ever since this happened our Google hits dropped right off the map.
I recall this was an issue with TIAS.COM before spam became an issue. There's just too much content for one domain and GoogleBot just stopped crawling the site's content after a certain point. You also have another with duplicate content replicated across multiple domains. It would be nice to blame the spammers specifically for this, but this is a TIAS issue that needs to be addressed separately. |
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