Sun,
We are individual merchants as TIAS, sort of like your local mall may have a Macy's, but the mall does not own Macy's or advertise for them other than in general mall advertising. We have our own URL as well, http://www.seemslikeoldtimes.com . When Google danced it was a problem for all of us, everywhere. I don't think this is just a TIAS thing as my non-TIAS competitors (and I know who my competitors are) are not showing up either. _________________ Lauren
Seems Like Old Times
http://www.seemslikeoldtimes.com
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
Joined: 22 Jul 2002 Posts: 6025 Location: Port Richey, FL
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:19 am Post subject:
oldtimes wrote:
Sun,
We are individual merchants as TIAS, sort of like your local mall may have a Macy's, but the mall does not own Macy's or advertise for them other than in general mall advertising. We have our own URL as well, http://www.seemslikeoldtimes.com . When Google danced it was a problem for all of us, everywhere. I don't think this is just a TIAS thing as my non-TIAS competitors (and I know who my competitors are) are not showing up either.
yup..and Google fixed that problem and we're now back on there but all of a sudden this affiliate program's spammers took over and bumped everyone to the bottom of the listings...if they were blended in with the rest of the results it probably wouldn't have been noticed and all results would have been fairly distributed thru the results based on LEGITIMATE keywords but when an affiliate takes up the first five pages and you see nothing BUT these links and then find your own descriptions as being part of the description that is bringing this link to the top....it makes you stand up and take notice. They stole our descriptions and images and used them to their own advantage to bump them up to the top of the list. Copying and pasting someone elses description is basically plagerism. This is what they have done...I have seen MY entire descriptions word for word in the search results thinking it was MY item but when I click I go to a page with eBay links and my item is nowhere. Is THIS how affiliates play the game..stealing other peoples descriptions..pasting them into their own pages to get them to the top of the list and then redirect eveyone to eBay? Apparently OUR descriptions are better than most since they bring you to the top of the list..the sad thing is..WE worked hard on our descriptions and keywords and the affiliates DIDN'T all they did was copy what we did..so WHO is really working hard on their stores and at keywording...apparently NOT the spammers..but the legitimate stores on the internet. _________________ Donna
Yes, I know. You also have the same content under http://www.tias.com/stores/oldtimes/ which is going to cause an issue with Google because they see multiple domains with the exact same content. If one domain is to be domain, I think it should be the seller's domain, www.seemslikeoldtimes.com not the tias pages.
Joined: 27 Jan 2002 Posts: 3658 Location: Ohio, land of brrrrrr
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:44 pm Post subject:
sun818 wrote:
> the thing is...now that these spammers have taken over the search engines...
> we are nowhere to be found anymore.
> Ever since this happened our Google hits dropped right off the map.
I recall this was an issue with TIAS.COM before spam became an issue. There's just too much content for one domain and GoogleBot just stopped crawling the site's content after a certain point. You also have another with duplicate content replicated across multiple domains. It would be nice to blame the spammers specifically for this, but this is a TIAS issue that needs to be addressed separately.
well many sites fell off of the search results after the google dance, lol..but that was a case of an algo change, I believe...I am starting to see tias and others listed again as some of the spam sites are taken off... _________________ Susie
Joined: 19 Sep 2003 Posts: 114 Location: Beaver, PA
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:33 pm Post subject:
sun818 wrote:
Yes, I know. You also have the same content under http://www.tias.com/stores/oldtimes/ which is going to cause an issue with Google because they see multiple domains with the exact same content. If one domain is to be domain, I think it should be the seller's domain, www.seemslikeoldtimes.com not the tias pages.
I agree with this in part. From what I see though when you have your own URL, is that the duplicate content is, or would be, the home page. The actual inventory pages on Google show as pages.abcantique.com/9459/InventoryPage... only and not also as pages.tias.com/stores/abcantiques/9459/InventoryPage... Other than the occasional individual item listing which shows as cgi.tias.com/9459/PictPage... The unfortunate thing is we have no control over this other than to not use our own URL. _________________
Joined: 22 Jul 2002 Posts: 6025 Location: Port Richey, FL
Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 2:40 pm Post subject:
sun818 wrote:
Yes, I know. You also have the same content under http://www.tias.com/stores/oldtimes/ which is going to cause an issue with Google because they see multiple domains with the exact same content. If one domain is to be domain, I think it should be the seller's domain, www.seemslikeoldtimes.com not the tias pages.
Ok..this is the first time I actually agree with you..I would much rather have my URL to be just angelsplace.com instead of the Tias in front of it..but I can't afford my own domain name yet. _________________ Donna
this one I just clicked on thinking I was going to go to Yahoo Auctions and came to a page with eBay links again..at the bottom is says not affiliated with Yahoo Auctions
but the question is..if they're eBay auctions..why would they use part of another auction sites name? To fool people into thinking they're going to Yahoo and not eBay? Thats where I thought I was going...this is the first time I've come across this and definately thought Yahoo and not eBay so I clicked..and once again..wound up in eBay world! _________________ Donna
A member posted a question about the Florida google algorithm
changes at the WebMaster Weekly Forums this past week..
Here was my reply.....
There is a lot of speculation - as to the algorithm change.
I've heard that a lot of the seo experts got killed in the
last couple of dances. It would seem to me that they set
themselves up as targets by "showing off" and getting top
listings for seo related keyword phrases on google.
If seo is your business model, it's a double edged sword.
You want to prove that you can get top listings for those
seo keyword phrases so that you can attract potential
clients, but you also attract the eyes of the search engine
programming staff. Surely that can't help.
On many forums, webmasters that "over optimize" their sites
to get top listings are considered "spammers".
My opinion is - if you target keyword phrases that DO NOT
pertain to your site, then the label of search engine
spammer applies. If you create multiple sites to take all of
the top 10 listings that point to the same site, you've
spammed the search results.
However if you only target relevant keyword phrases and
don't spam the results (by taking every top spot for one
site), in my opinion... by optimizing or "over optimizing",
and getting the desired results ... you've done well.
Here's one for you....
If one million webmasters all have websites that sell the
exact same product or service.... let's call it "green
widgets", no matter how you look at it, there are only TEN
top 10 spots to be had for the search phrase "green
widgets".
Let's take location out of the equation... i.e., "New York
green widgets".
If you are ranked 100,000 out of 1 million for the search
phrase "green widgets", and you offer the EXACT SAME green
widgets as the site that is ranked #1 out of 1 million, and
your site has as much relevant content, etc., the only thing
that separates your #100,000 ranked site from the #1 ranked
site is what?
Relevancy per the algorithm used by the search engine.
The #1 ranked site happens to be set up (optimized) in a
manner that falls in line with the relevancy algorithm used by
the search engine.
Does it mean that the #1 ranked "green widgets" site is
really more relevant than your #100,000 ranked "green
widgets" site given the fact that both sites sell the exact
same "green widgets" ??
As far as non algorithm relevancy is concerned, both sites are
relevant when it comes to the subject of "green widgets".
They both offer the exact same product!
So then the search engine has to rely on its algorithm to decide
which sites are more relevant than others.
If a site that sells just ONE TYPE of "green widget" has
1000 incoming links from other sites thus boosting its PR
and ranking, significantly... is it really more relevant
than a site that sells many versions, models, brands, of
"green widgets" but doesn't have any incoming links to boost
its PR and ranking?
So let's say you build a great looking site with awesome
content that totally pertains to "green widgets". If it
doesn't meet the criteria of the relevancy algorithm used by the
search engines, it won't be found in the top. In the end...
no matter how you look at it, it's all about the algorithm
used by the search engines, hence the want and or need for
SEO.
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step-by-step problem-solving procedure, especially an
established, recursive computational procedure for solving a
problem in a finite number of steps.
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bearing on or connection with the matter at hand.
It's not a matter of being fair. It's not a matter of what
you or I think is fair or not fair. SEO has been around for
as long as the search engines have been around, and began
when people figured out that they could optimize their sites
to get listed towards the top of the search results.
From what I've seen... those that can... DO. They do get the
top spots. They DO get the traffic, the leads, the sales.
Those that can't... yell FOUL, NOT FAIR, BLAH BLAH BLAH, or
simply hire someone that CAN generate the desired results.
Saving and saving for many years
Running out of space brought me to tears
Seems rescuing orphans of glass and more
Made me have to do something or not find my floor
A DBA and a tax id
Gave me a sense of victory
The world wide web, I couldn't wait
To find adoptees with my orphans as bait
I took lots of photos as well as I could
Hoping and praying my description would be good
Not paying for rent or space to share
Just me and my babies I had treated with care
So I joined a mall that everyone knows
So excited I was on my toes
Clicking along, I was finally free
Happy, so happy, just my bloomers and me
Then one horrible summer day
Seems affiliate links got in my way
Out of the blue came thieves to me
Stealing my work, how could it be?
Sending to auction, I was horrified
Taking them off, I tried and tried
Over and over I scratched my head
Of these mixed up links that ended up dead!
Entangled like necklaces in a jewelry box
Seems they all just led to one great big FOX
I had enough a long time ago
Big dogs at work, it surely does show
May the best man or woman win in the end
Sooner or later though, we all have to bend
Me and my orphans will just try to wait
Till the BIGGEST DOG fixes it all at a later date!!
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Could this site posing as Yahoo and then sending to Ebay be the BIG DOG fight? Brownies for the SHOW anyone? Don't have any popcorn! _________________
hey Ms Fancy Pants........
ya said it most eloquently!!!
and so accurately it makes me also wanna
what's a little puppy to do? _________________ http://www.almasattic.com
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